|
Post by theanswer on Dec 12, 2005 9:15:37 GMT -5
There are a lot more three-man officiating crews than ever before this season. What does everyone think about them?
I have talked to several coaches that have complained about them. Every official I have talked to loves them.
From a fan's perspective, they do seem to slow the game down with more fouls called. But is this better than getting away with those fouls?
I may start keeping track of fouls with two-man vs. three-man.
|
|
|
Post by mrrlm26 on Dec 12, 2005 11:25:33 GMT -5
First of all,I am very very in favor of "three-man crews". As "it" brings more of a structured and organized element to the game, whether it be boys or girls at any level. The Indianapolis Public Schools have had "3" member crews for quite sometime. and an ironic or peculiar thing about the previous fact is that on a financial basis, they should only employ "2" member crews, whereas with most of the Marion County Schools---i.e---Lawrence North, Lawrence Central, Southport have more athletic funds than I-P-S . Anyway, IF? ?---there would have been a "3" member crew working at last seasons Arlington-LNorth (state championship caliber ) sectional game,there would have more than likely been a different outcome! Get it?
|
|
|
Post by WC83 on Dec 16, 2005 23:14:39 GMT -5
Three-man crews suck. It seems no one knows what to call and one official always thinks the other ref is going to make the call and then it goes completely uncalled. This is HIGH SCHOOL not college. What's next three-man crews for grade school games?
|
|
|
Post by crazytrain on Dec 17, 2005 0:20:57 GMT -5
well with the amount of high schoolers going to college for a year before going into the NBA, it really helps those players out. for the rest of the players its unfair that you cant get away with that cheap on the road that the other team layed on you earlier
|
|
goteamgo
Regular Contributing Member
Posts: 52
|
Post by goteamgo on Dec 21, 2005 23:02:52 GMT -5
I have to agree with WC83. I've already been to a few games this year where the refs wouldn't blow the whistle on obvious fouls...I assume because they thought one of the other refs would make the call.
Three-man crews can work, if the three work well together. I wonder, do the three-man crews get enough chances to work together, or are these just a two-man crew put together with a third they don't know, or even three refs that don't know each other or work with each other much?
|
|
phjindy
Regular Contributing Member
Posts: 43
|
Post by phjindy on Dec 23, 2005 18:37:38 GMT -5
The three man officiating crew is a waste of money. I had the pleasure of sitting with a coach, scouting his next opponent, and he showed me the reasons he was against the 3-man crew. It boils down to the angles and the coordination of the officials. I've seen games with 2 and 3 officials this year, and the 2 man crews seem to allow a better flow to the game. BTW, the coach mentioned above won a State Chamionship in the '80's, so he's very credible, imo
|
|
|
Post by UmpGuy on Jan 6, 2006 21:30:21 GMT -5
3 - person officiating crews are the "way" of the future. The reason they seem more prevalent this year is because the IHSAA uses them in the tournament, and they have found that if they aren't used during the season, then there is an awkwardness that shouldn't exist during tourney time. While schools are not required to use 3-person mechanics, most find a distinct value in using the third official. Consider that the kids are getting bigger, faster and more physical. In a 2-person mechanic, it is really hard to see everything. The reason the "flow" may seem better, is because there is a lot probably going unnoticed - and that is why the coaches are always screaming! While the average fans think that the officials aren't calling the fouls, this isn't true. The officials spend lots of pregame discussing scenarios, etc. Just because there is contact, doesn't constitute a foul! The other thing to understand is that often the schools are paying 2 - person fees, but splitting the fees between 3 officials, so this is a sacrifice the officials are willing to make until the schools can accommodate the additional expense. Bottom line is it is better basketball and better game management.
|
|
phjindy
Regular Contributing Member
Posts: 43
|
Post by phjindy on Jan 17, 2006 22:49:52 GMT -5
A two man crew sees things quite well. The three man crews are not an improvement at all, imo.
|
|
|
Post by transfertrojan on Jan 22, 2006 0:32:40 GMT -5
The problem I se with 3 man crew is it to impossible to find 2 good men let alone 3!!!
|
|
devo
Member
Posts: 6
|
Post by devo on Jan 22, 2006 18:53:27 GMT -5
Three man crews are better for high school and college than two man crews. Studies have shown that there are less whistles in a three man than two man system. Three refs see more things, the players know this and commit less fouls. Other violations that may not have been seen in the two man system are now called with three men.
The one problem with high school three man is that training isn't as it should be. Often, you'll have two refs that have called three man and one that hasn't. Much of the first quarter is spent with the refs watching each other rather than the play. As for not making some calls, that is the case. Some refs are worried about calling out of their area. But these are the same guys/gals that don't make the calls in two man systems.
Once the refs get used to three man, you'll see a vast improvement with the games. The IHSAA will be going to the three man system for all sectional games and higher next year. Then you'll see more schools using three refs and much better called games. Of course, you'll still have the sour puss who'll whine over any call. But that is the guy who'd never have the guts to step on the floor and try officiating.
|
|
|
Post by southsidefan on Jan 22, 2006 19:56:15 GMT -5
Dang devo YOU THE MAN!!
|
|
|
Post by dawuss on Jan 23, 2006 9:37:44 GMT -5
More efficient officiating would help to reduce the number of bad/missed calls. While it wouldn't be foolproof, it would reduce moments when people would go on internet discussion boards and cry about how crappy the refs were.
Now, I agree, the IHSAA should make 3-man refs mandatory, but whether or not it happens is a different story. (Of course, mind you I have never been to a basketball game nor do I have any intentions of doing so, despite where I go to ;D [which is mostly because I have hardly any clue as to what's going on in detail {sure I know who's beating who, but that's about it}, as opposed to football, which I know in superb detail])
|
|
|
Post by hoosierdude on Dec 12, 2006 14:37:21 GMT -5
just remember, the IHSAA is all about the money... if they think they can get by with two refs they'll do it, just last year sectionals had only 2 refs and it caused many missed calls for both teams, personally there should never be less than 3 refs ps-what's up with refs smiling when they make calls this year??? it's almost like their taunting the players...
|
|
phjindy
Regular Contributing Member
Posts: 43
|
Post by phjindy on Jan 5, 2007 21:48:29 GMT -5
If three men crews are better then how about a four man crew or even five! The JV games that have 2 man crews flow much better than the varsity game that have 3. It's a waste of money, imho.
|
|
|
Post by southsidefan on Jan 5, 2007 22:38:10 GMT -5
Three man refereeing is a joke unless the three travel together and stay together for every game as one crew for the whole season.
|
|