Three-man crews

[coachk]

they are ok when they are good, but they never know there area and if something happens in someone else area they dont call it even tho the other ref is not watching. most of the time they suck. there should be three man crews in the post season.

[southsidefan]

I f most of the time they suck, why have them in post season?

[grizzlycub]

I am speaking from working as a referee in the past, had to stop due to an injury, will be trying to get license back though.

There were many times while working Varsity games that 2 person system worked but the 3 person system was needed. I have never worked the 3 man system but will look forward to it once I get back out there.

I will withhold judgement, but I am like most others and have felt that 2 man would work fine, but once I get back out there I may feel differently. From the games I have watched I see it both ways, seen bad situations and good situations.

I know talking double, but change is always happening, need to try to work with it.

[princessofthepound]

I agree with southsidefan just like a team that has played together since gradeschool they will become more effective as a unit...and six eyes are def. better than four...I do think however that IHSAA should chose the refs for the games...not just in the post season...many a time has Batesville been screwed over by homers and if your a Batesville fan you will know where I'm talking about

[grizzlycub]

Princess, not trying to contradict what you are saying, but I have never felt like a homer at anytime that I have officiated games for any sports. I have been told by many a coach and AD, that I have been harder on them, and most respected that.

If true "Homers" are out there, there should be someway of documenting or IHSAA should send evaluators to more games than just to watch potential sectional officials.

[princessofthepound]

Well grizzly, the truth is homers do exist, they wouldn't have a term for it if they didn't . Just because you are fair doesn't mean everyone else is. And if you want to be the one to document it then fine be my guest. I was simply giving a possible solution to a problem I have noticed. I just thought it would make it as fair as possible to both teams. Agree or disagree thats what I think.

Princess

[hoosierdude]

well grizzly...if you don't think homers exist, then u are one
like it or not....

that is the kind of unwillingness to listen to criticism that makes refs bad and u said u were a ref right?

don't get ur license back, oh and btw that's how u spel license

[grizzlycub]

Not to start a debate, but I never said that Homers do not exist.

To have the state schedule for every game in the state it would be a major nightmare. Think of all the events that High School and Middle School teams play, all levels. The ADs have a hard enough job. I have traveled from the Indy area down to Evansville and up to the Fort Wayne area. The ADs in the area I live in will try not hire anyone to do Varsity games that have any ties to that school.

As to you saying I had an unwillingness to take criticism, I have had times where sitting down with many veteran officials with videos looking at my mechanics and the calls I made during different events. These officials now work NCAA and a couple of them are now hanging up their whistles after approx 25 years of officiating, alot of the people who have posted on this site knows who these officials are. By the way I had to stop due to a major injury that had me sidelined for a while.

And yes I do plan on getting my license back this year, and will continue to do the training and attend critique sessions that I have always did in the past.

And Hoosier I did make a suggestion that the state send evaluators to do all officials not just those applying for tournament positions. And I feel that a majority of officials would welcome this even.

Yes I have done sectionals, and have even had the evaluators give me a critique even though I am not the official they are there to watch. I will not say that I have made some bad calls, but I have never done it on purpose. Yes there was even a time I filled in last minute at one of the local schools, unfortunately had a nephew playing, which all involved were well aware of and both coaches approved, and even called a Technical on him. So to say I am a Homer, I still do not feel that way.

There are alot of times that fans say they were hosed on a call,
If anyone had a chance to review alot of the calls they might see something that the officials saw that they didn't. Yes the refs do make mistakes, but a majority of them do not do it on purpose.

If a fan still feels bitter my answer to that is "Officials are human, they do make mistakes. If anyone out there feels that they can do a better job, feel free to apply, get your license. The IHSAA is always looking for dedicated officials"

[princessofthepound]

grizzlycub said:

If true "Homers" are out there, there should be someway of documenting or IHSAA should send evaluators to more games than just to watch potential sectional officials.

By saying that you are basically saying they don't exist I don't quite understand Hoosiers logic in calling you a homer but not everything in this forum makes sense.

grizzlycub said:

To have the state schedule for every game in the state it would be a major nightmare. Think of all the events that High School and Middle School teams, all levels. The ADs have a hard enough job. I have traveled from the Indy area down to Evansville and up to the Fort Wayne area. The ADs in this area will try not hire anyone to do Varsity games that have any ties to that school.

I was thinking something at random, I'm sure the database of IHSAA officials is capable of spitting out 5 random referees to go to each game (2 for jv 3 for varsity)...it wouldn't be as hard as you are making it out to be. And like I have said before this is only a suggestion. I'm giving my opinion, that is what forums are for.

Oh and Hoosier, when you are making a point of making fun of someone for misspelling a word spell your words correctly because that is how you spell spell

Princess

[grizzlycub]

I just saying, there are to many variables for a database. ie:

Where an individual works
What time he gets off
Where he lives
What school he went to
What school his family has gone to
Does anyone in the family work at any schools
Any relations play sports at any schools
Any days off needed

I was sitting here and thinking Princess, you may be on the right track though. We have official associations out there and most all of the schools belong to athletic conferences. Maybe having that association assign officials might be okay. But still may run into same situation with "Homers" because the same officials will be getting used, for example: Greenwood is in Mid State Conference and Center Grove is in a different conference. Greenwood may use Indiana Officials Association and Center Grove may use Mid Hoosier Officials Association. (just an example)

Could use this as a test in an area of the state.