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Post by Cranky on Feb 11, 2011 19:47:15 GMT -5
3A must not be to bad, seeing that 2 of the 3 McDonalds all-americans were from that class!!! by that way MAGOO, how many players did carmel put on the team??? more about Hype than substance. That's what oden is all about in the NBA, all hype and no substance. What is oden's ppg average this year in the NBA?  Yep, all HYPE and NO substance! That's "overhyped oden."  |
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Post by bluechip on Feb 11, 2011 20:08:54 GMT -5
Word is "oden's a quitter, can't handle competition in the NBA" , I agree. he can't cut it against NBA players his size, he's a quitter, uses injuries as an excuse, can't handle the NBA competition! Btw, you didn't answer my question, how did 4A north central play so poorly as to almost lose to 1A Tecumseh, and in the same toc, North Central barely beat 2A Westview! Lol, yea that's Indiana's tough 4A state champion!! mr. mugiugi, you are a rube. lol
Cody Rocks, he's not a quitter!! Congrats to Cody, well deserved honor!!  I'm not understanding your logic Cranky. You are cutting on 4A North Central for barely beating the 1A and 2A teams and winning the the TOC. The 3A champion must have lost to both the 1A and 2A champion. It looks like you're just proving the 3A tournament is the easiest. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 11, 2011 21:35:14 GMT -5
My point is this. There is not always as large a gap between the classes as some would like to think. 4A is usually stronger top to bottom than 3A, but not always. It is the same with 3A and 2A, as it is with 2A and 1A.... However on occasion, the smaller class team will be very close,equal to, or better than the larger class in a given year! Some people believe the higher class teams are always the best. I believe that assumption is wrong, and the examples of the 4A champion struggling to beat the 1A and 2A teams at a championship level prove that assumption is wrong.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 11, 2011 22:18:43 GMT -5
Your point has no merit. The 4a won every TOC which is why there is no more TOC. We have class basketball because the 4a was dominating the tournament and the smaller classes couldn't handle it. You are just trying to justify your teams recent success as being the same as the old one class tourney, but deep down you know that their success is from playing second and third rate competition.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 11, 2011 22:57:35 GMT -5
Your point has no merit. The 4a won every TOC which is why there is no more TOC. We have class basketball because the 4a was dominating the tournament and the smaller classes couldn't handle it. You are just trying to justify your teams recent success as being the same as the old one class tourney, but deep down you know that their success is from playing second and third rate competition. The reason the toc was discontinued was for two reasons. After the toc was initiated eventually the teams involved were content to have their championship games be their final game for the season. None of them wanted to end their championship year with a loss. You are wrong on that point. The other reason was lack of interest from the fans, attendance was low and the toc was not profitable. As far as justifying anything for the Hatchets, ;D Washington is not the team I follow. You are wrong again. However, Washington has been successful because they are an excellent basketball team, not because they play "bad teams." Three state championships in the 2000's prove you are wrong again. You are dangerously close to cornering the market on stupidity. |
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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 11, 2011 23:45:25 GMT -5
Isn't it amazing that the 4a teams never fished the TOC with a loss. I agree about the lack of interest, but thats because the 1a,2a, and 3a fans knew their teams weren't going to win. Once again tell me the last good 4a team that Washington has beat. I have asked you three times for this and you haven't answered yet so I'm guessing there isn't one very recently. I really don't see how three 3a titles in the 2000's proves me wrong. You do realize they are only winning those because of class bball, and from your earlier post it looks like 3a is the weakest class of the 4.
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Post by coyfan on Feb 12, 2011 5:37:14 GMT -5
Pointless arguments like this is the reason we lost very good posters on this site such as, wferber, indypack, and a few others! This is a ridiculous argument! One class basketball is gone folks. And I wish a few of you posters where also!!
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Post by tigerfire on Feb 12, 2011 7:53:50 GMT -5
Congrats to the 3 representatives from the great state of Indiana to play on the McDonalds All American team. It is a great honor to just get nominated to that team Regardless of how they perform at that game, they are recognized as the best in the country, and we as Hoosiers need to be proud to have 3 players on the team. I wish them the best in the game and with rest of their basketball careers. For any player be recognized for his accomplishments on the floor and in the classroom (if I remember correctly that is why they are in school in the first place) it is a great honor.
I don't think I know anyone on this site personally, but I would venture a guess that we have no former MCD All Americans posting here. Nor do we have any current or former Indiana All Stars posting here, or few if any all county/region all stars, college basketball scholarship earners, or maybe any high school players at all ( I fall into the non basketball player category, I played football, and not very well). My point is we are critical of these boys and teams who have had great success, no matter how tainted by class basketball, and we ourselves probably couldn't chew gum and dribble a basketball. We all like to think of ourselves as experts and former this or that, we get so critical of kids who have had a very successful high school career, I will call it JEALOUSY at its finest!!! I am not jealous of any kid who works hard, has some God given talent, and uses that play a GAME, and get an education and can contribute to society some day as an adult. I honor them, more of our young folks these days should take notice to what hard work, dedication, and sacrifice will do. My daughter is on a full ride scholarship studying elementary education, not because of athletic ability, but because of hard work, some God given talent ( thanks to her Mom), dedication, and sacrifice in the classroom. I am so proud of her, she has become a very fine young lady even though she will never or has ever played one second on any sports team.
I love high school sports and sports in general, so lets rejoice in the accomplishments of these fine representatives from Indiana and congratulate them as they finish their high school careers.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 12, 2011 8:53:03 GMT -5
Tigerfire, you are startinmg to sound like every other poster on here. when you can't dispute the facts they play the jealousy or hate card. Why is it when people point out the facts you guys feel the need to do that? I have asked several times when the last time Washington beat a good 4a team and haven't gotten a response yet. I checked Harrells site and can tell you its not in the 2000's. To me the jealousy is coming from the 3a fans on here. Their teams are finally starting to find levels of success in class basketball that they weren't able to achieve the last several decades of the one class system, and have some need to justify it against 4a.
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Post by tigerfire on Feb 12, 2011 10:24:11 GMT -5
Tigerfire, you are startinmg to sound like every other poster on here. when you can't dispute the facts they play the jealousy or hate card. Why is it when people point out the facts you guys feel the need to do that? I have asked several times when the last time Washington beat a good 4a team and haven't gotten a response yet. I checked Harrells site and can tell you its not in the 2000's. To me the jealousy is coming from the 3a fans on here. Their teams are finally starting to find levels of success in class basketball that they weren't able to achieve the last several decades of the one class system, and have some need to justify it against 4a. Sir I believe the topic was started about those players who recieved recognition as individuals, not as teams. My comments were aimed at individual players, not teams. You broght up the issue of class system and teams. I believe there are good players from each class in Indiana. More in 4A? Sure, but this is MCD All Americans, not Washington HS, Pike HS, and Gary Wallace All Americans, these young men were recognized as individuals. If you believe that the recognition comes from what they did in Indiana on a Friday night you are mistaken. It is from the summer months in AAU etc basketball, where college coaches and scouts see them play agains EQUAL TALENT. If you think theat the Zellers aren't talented you didn't watch NC vs. Duke the other night, Tyler played a fine game and has developed into a fine player, maybe not an all american, but a good college player on the highest level of play(ACC ). Luke is playing in Europe I believe, which last time I checked is more fun than any job in Indy, except maybe an Indianapolis firefighter (sorry a little jealousy coming through ;D) I think Cody wil be a good college player too, but maybe he will be a flop ( hope not I'm and IU fan) who knows but he got that scholarship based on individual performance not because of WHS or his brothers. BTW he played a great game against Princeton the other night, much improved player, but hey you were only playing a lowly 3A team(who really sucked the other night btw  ). The jealousy I spoke of was not directed at you but to those who are jealous of players who have excelled in their skills and earned a scholarship to a college and earned a few awards along the way. Most of us only dreamed of making a high school team let alone being an ALL AMERICAN. Some judgements are made on here becasue of class or school, not on the player. Guys like Hayward, Teague brothers, McRoberts, Oscar Robertson, the Zellers, Damon Bailey, Ray Craft, Bobby Plump,John Wooden and countless others were great players not based on what team they were on or the class, or number of students but their individual talent. That is why I like hs wrestling, and the individual state championship. One guy with one goal of a state championship regardless of enrollment, class, or demographic for individual title. |
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Post by tigertail on Feb 12, 2011 14:43:56 GMT -5
Tigerfire, I tried to warn you 2 months ago about the posts of mrmyagi and his one sided mentality of 4A school being far superior to any others. You told me nicely to butt out. Maybe you are finally figuring it out??
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Post by 16greenhuskies on Feb 12, 2011 16:53:12 GMT -5
Congrats to the 3 representatives from the great state of Indiana to play on the McDonalds All American team. It is a great honor to just get nominated to that team Regardless of how they perform at that game, they are recognized as the best in the country, and we as Hoosiers need to be proud to have 3 players on the team. I wish them the best in the game and with rest of their basketball careers. For any player be recognized for his accomplishments on the floor and in the classroom (if I remember correctly that is why they are in school in the first place) it is a great honor. I don't think I know anyone on this site personally, but I would venture a guess that we have no former MCD All Americans posting here. Nor do we have any current or former Indiana All Stars posting here, or few if any all county/region all stars, college basketball scholarship earners, or maybe any high school players at all ( I fall into the non basketball player category, I played football, and not very well). My point is we are critical of these boys and teams who have had great success, no matter how tainted by class basketball, and we ourselves probably couldn't chew gum and dribble a basketball. We all like to think of ourselves as experts and former this or that, we get so critical of kids who have had a very successful high school career, I will call it JEALOUSY at its finest!!! I am not jealous of any kid who works hard, has some God given talent, and uses that play a GAME, and get an education and can contribute to society some day as an adult. I honor them, more of our young folks these days should take notice to what hard work, dedication, and sacrifice will do. My daughter is on a full ride scholarship studying elementary education, not because of athletic ability, but because of hard work, some God given talent ( thanks to her Mom), dedication, and sacrifice in the classroom. I am so proud of her, she has become a very fine young lady even though she will never or has ever played one second on any sports team.
I love high school sports and sports in general, so lets rejoice in the accomplishments of these fine representatives from Indiana and congratulate them as they finish their high school careers. Good post Tiger! Nicely put. This is a thread to congratulate a HS All-American and some like to hi-jack it to meet their own agenda...way to bring this back where it belongs... |
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Post by reitz1219 on Feb 12, 2011 22:07:22 GMT -5
2008 Hatchet team would have won the one class system. 2 seven footers = impossible to guard. That is the only team that would have from Washington. 3A is not the weakest, but it is not as good as 4A. Have always wondered why Washington hasn't played either of the Bloomington teams or the Terra Haute teams. They drive to Evansville. Bloomington and Terra Haute is only 1 hour away from Washington as well. Anyhow, washington fans you've had a good run. Expect this board to be much more quiet next year.
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Post by coyfan on Feb 13, 2011 3:30:15 GMT -5
I to would like to see Washington play Bloomington and Terra Haute schools. Whs did have a series with TH north a couple years ago (the Blank kid was there) and beat them at Whs. For some reason TH North cancelled the last two games of the series. I believe it was 2006. So I guess that would answer mrmiyagi's question!
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Post by whs92 on Feb 13, 2011 14:10:08 GMT -5
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Yep, all HYPE and NO substance! That's "overhyped oden." 
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