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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 13, 2011 17:56:48 GMT -5
Tigerfire, you are startinmg to sound like every other poster on here. when you can't dispute the facts they play the jealousy or hate card. Why is it when people point out the facts you guys feel the need to do that? I have asked several times when the last time Washington beat a good 4a team and haven't gotten a response yet. I checked Harrells site and can tell you its not in the 2000's. To me the jealousy is coming from the 3a fans on here. Their teams are finally starting to find levels of success in class basketball that they weren't able to achieve the last several decades of the one class system, and have some need to justify it against 4a. Sir I believe the topic was started about those players who recieved recognition as individuals, not as teams. My comments were aimed at individual players, not teams. You broght up the issue of class system and teams. I believe there are good players from each class in Indiana. More in 4A? Sure, but this is MCD All Americans, not Washington HS, Pike HS, and Gary Wallace All Americans, these young men were recognized as individuals. If you believe that the recognition comes from what they did in Indiana on a Friday night you are mistaken. It is from the summer months in AAU etc basketball, where college coaches and scouts see them play agains EQUAL TALENT. If you think theat the Zellers aren't talented you didn't watch NC vs. Duke the other night, Tyler played a fine game and has developed into a fine player, maybe not an all american, but a good college player on the highest level of play(ACC ). Luke is playing in Europe I believe, which last time I checked is more fun than any job in Indy, except maybe an Indianapolis firefighter (sorry a little jealousy coming through ;D) I think Cody wil be a good college player too, but maybe he will be a flop ( hope not I'm and IU fan) who knows but he got that scholarship based on individual performance not because of WHS or his brothers. BTW he played a great game against Princeton the other night, much improved player, but hey you were only playing a lowly 3A team(who really sucked the other night btw ). The jealousy I spoke of was not directed at you but to those who are jealous of players who have excelled in their skills and earned a scholarship to a college and earned a few awards along the way. Most of us only dreamed of making a high school team let alone being an ALL AMERICAN. Some judgements are made on here becasue of class or school, not on the player. Guys like Hayward, Teague brothers, McRoberts, Oscar Robertson, the Zellers, Damon Bailey, Ray Craft, Bobby Plump,John Wooden and countless others were great players not based on what team they were on or the class, or number of students but their individual talent. That is why I like hs wrestling, and the individual state championship. One guy with one goal of a state championship regardless of enrollment, class, or demographic for individual title. Yes, I watched the game and have to say I was really impressed with his ability to make wide open layups. He had better go thank Marshhall for all those presents he was giving out.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 13, 2011 18:08:28 GMT -5
I to would like to see Washington play Bloomington and Terra Haute schools. Whs did have a series with TH north a couple years ago (the Blank kid was there) and beat them at Whs. For some reason TH North cancelled the last two games of the series. I believe it was 2006. So I guess that would answer mrmiyagi's question! I checked it out on Harrell's site. Washington beat Terre Haute North by 1 on their home floor in 2007. Terre Haute North was 15-10 that year. Thats the best you got? I feel sorry for you guys having to watch all that weak competition Washington plays. I'm guessing Washington doesn't play those teams because its easier to say you can beat them than actually doing it.
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Post by reitz1219 on Feb 13, 2011 20:45:56 GMT -5
Maybe someday Indiana will do like Kentucky has done and consolidate schools. For example, everyone in the county will go to one high school. This would elimate tons of the 1A and 2A schools, and make for some very good 4A schools as well as beef up the competition in southern Indiana. That is what the south lacks. You can't hammer Washington for their schedule cause in short, they just don't have the 4A competition to play without driving 3 hours to do it. That is why I asked about Terre Haute and Bloomington. They are the only schools even close that would make for some good competition. The 4A schools in Evansville are all terrible and I'm a Reitz guy. I do think Washington and Princeton for that matter would have had some very good success against 4A, but we will never know. These 2 programs were and are very good but after this year I will be intrigued to see how they do in future tournaments. Just wish one of these days we could get back to our roots and play ball the way it should be. ONE CLASS.
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Post by bluechip on Feb 13, 2011 21:47:04 GMT -5
Washington lost this year to Central and Princeton lost to Harrison. The 4A in Evansville may be terrible but it has beaten two of the premeir teams in 3A. Thats not a ringing endorsement for how good 3A ball is. Washington also lost to 2A Forest Park. FP is easily the best team in southern Indiana.
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Post by reitz1219 on Feb 14, 2011 0:47:22 GMT -5
I've seen Washington play twice this year. Once is the Central game you talk of, because my cousin plays for Central, and the other was the Princeton game. I don't know what Washington team showed up against Central but it wasn't the team that beat Princeton by 17. Also, just looked at the box score of the FP game and FP hit 10 3's in that game, and it was very early in the season. I would like to see that performance duplicated again. I know Forrest Park has put out some good teams in recent years but that is a bold statement about them easily being the best team in southern Indiana. I'm not trying to endorse Washington, but if the Princeton game is any measuring stick I don't think any team south of Indy could beat them if they play like that. My 2 cents.
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Post by tigerfire on Feb 14, 2011 8:50:16 GMT -5
Sir I believe the topic was started about those players who recieved recognition as individuals, not as teams. My comments were aimed at individual players, not teams. You broght up the issue of class system and teams. I believe there are good players from each class in Indiana. More in 4A? Sure, but this is MCD All Americans, not Washington HS, Pike HS, and Gary Wallace All Americans, these young men were recognized as individuals. If you believe that the recognition comes from what they did in Indiana on a Friday night you are mistaken. It is from the summer months in AAU etc basketball, where college coaches and scouts see them play agains EQUAL TALENT. If you think theat the Zellers aren't talented you didn't watch NC vs. Duke the other night, Tyler played a fine game and has developed into a fine player, maybe not an all american, but a good college player on the highest level of play(ACC ). Luke is playing in Europe I believe, which last time I checked is more fun than any job in Indy, except maybe an Indianapolis firefighter (sorry a little jealousy coming through ;D) I think Cody wil be a good college player too, but maybe he will be a flop ( hope not I'm and IU fan) who knows but he got that scholarship based on individual performance not because of WHS or his brothers. BTW he played a great game against Princeton the other night, much improved player, but hey you were only playing a lowly 3A team(who really sucked the other night btw ). The jealousy I spoke of was not directed at you but to those who are jealous of players who have excelled in their skills and earned a scholarship to a college and earned a few awards along the way. Most of us only dreamed of making a high school team let alone being an ALL AMERICAN. Some judgements are made on here becasue of class or school, not on the player. Guys like Hayward, Teague brothers, McRoberts, Oscar Robertson, the Zellers, Damon Bailey, Ray Craft, Bobby Plump,John Wooden and countless others were great players not based on what team they were on or the class, or number of students but their individual talent. That is why I like hs wrestling, and the individual state championship. One guy with one goal of a state championship regardless of enrollment, class, or demographic for individual title. Yes, I watched the game and have to say I was really impressed with his ability to make wide open layups. He had better go thank Marshhall for all those presents he was giving out. Marshall is a very good freshman point guard and did get some nice assists to Zeller and the other big ( can't remember his name). But I don't think he got any easy looks against Duke, that rebound and put back for the +1 was a very nice play. He had 24 pts. and 13 rbs against the Plumlee brothers, pretty good night IMO. He is averaging 14.3pts(leads the team),52.8%fg, and 75% ft.(leads the team) Marshall had 6 assists in the Duke game and Zeller shot 10 of 14 from the floor. Stats courtesy of ESPN. Remember the stats don't lie.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 14, 2011 10:23:06 GMT -5
It wasn't only the assist Marshall gave but how many times did Marshall drive, draw the Plumlees, and shoot and miss leaving Zeller wide open for easy rebound baskets. If he can't shoot 10-14 on wide open layups he better give the game up. Big guys always have good night against Duke. Duke's guards overplay everything leading to help from their bigs which allows lots of easy baskets from the other teams bigs. Zeller only shot 3 for 8 against Clemson because they don't overplay like Duke.
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Post by whsfan on Feb 14, 2011 10:35:32 GMT -5
Who cares bring those words to someone without sitting behind a computer you sad excuse for a man. You must have no life to come on here and never say a positive thing about anything. Indiana high school kids should all be wished well after school by normal people it happens.
Sad sad excuse for a man
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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 14, 2011 10:40:24 GMT -5
Miami's big guy went 7 for 9 last night and NC St, big guy went 9 for 11 against Duke the game before they played UNC.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 14, 2011 10:42:17 GMT -5
Who cares bring those words to someone without sitting behind a computer you sad excuse for a man. You must have no life to come on here and never say a positive thing about anything. Indiana high school kids should all be wished well after school by normal people it happens. Sad sad excuse for a man If you don't care, why are you reading it?
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Post by zjs1997 on Feb 14, 2011 11:27:51 GMT -5
We would ALL love to see the face behind these posts. I am guessing spitting image of the 40yr old virgin!
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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 14, 2011 12:43:27 GMT -5
Who cares bring those words to someone without sitting behind a computer you sad excuse for a man. You must have no life to come on here and never say a positive thing about anything. Indiana high school kids should all be wished well after school by normal people it happens. Sad sad excuse for a man There for a minute I thought you were trying to insult me then I realized you must sign off using sad sad excuse for a man. Maybe you should use it for your name on here instead of whsfan. Now that I'm thinking about it.....It would make an excellent name for all the whs fans on here.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Feb 14, 2011 12:45:52 GMT -5
We would ALL love to see the face behind these posts. I am guessing spitting image of the 40yr old virgin! It's kind of like the face of God. You all want to see it but you couldn't handle it if you did. ;D
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Post by zjs1997 on Feb 14, 2011 12:52:09 GMT -5
Glad i havent wasted time on here, and just what i thought from you with that comeback wow you are king of Indy sportstalk!
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Post by tigerfire on Feb 14, 2011 16:49:01 GMT -5
It wasn't only the assist Marshall gave but how many times did Marshall drive, draw the Plumlees, and shoot and miss leaving Zeller wide open for easy rebound baskets. If he can't shoot 10-14 on wide open layups he better give the game up. Big guys always have good night against Duke. Duke's guards overplay everything leading to help from their bigs which allows lots of easy baskets from the other teams bigs. Zeller only shot 3 for 8 against Clemson because they don't overplay like Duke. Wow that is what I'm talking about. Giving a good explaination to a question/comment. You might be right, but I don't think he gets those easy looks everynight, and maybe he had an off night against Clemson?? Regardless Tyler has developed into a nice collegiate player as much as you don't want to admit it. Will he make an all american or an NBA player??? Thats anybodys guess. I was reading about Scott Skiles the other day. He was pretty good in HS, and went on to MSU and had a nice career( all american & BT MVP), then the NBA, and then coaching. When the Scott Skiles led Plymouth team in the 80's won the state tourney they were the smallest team since Milan to win it all. I didn't realize that before. He was one gritty ball player who did alot on desire and determination, and maybe a few illegal drugs...but it was reduced to a misdemeaner MJ charge right??
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