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Post by fastysbest on Apr 20, 2011 13:21:28 GMT -5
Dude, where has anyone said that Washington would have won any class? I can't find it anywhere. Are you just making stuff up for the sake of argument. I'm a Washington fan and I will tell you they would not have one a one class system or the 4A. They were a very good team and they might have done some damage. Now if you want to talk about 2008 that is different. That team would have walked thru any class tournament or the one class system. And what point are you trying to make with the whole we have to share the award of Mr. Bball. Where my numbers not good enough for you to swallow? You get that award every year. And what are you talking about give it to a different area of the state every chance we get? You have got it 10 out of 14 times!!! Geez man cry us all a river.
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Post by hatchet1980 on Apr 20, 2011 16:07:33 GMT -5
I agree, you are amazingly ignorant and arrogant and continue to show it over and over. Enjoy your sour grapes! Cody Zeller 2011 Mr. Basketball member of the 3A (7 time) State Champion Washington Hatchets!!!!
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 20, 2011 17:11:14 GMT -5
It's all about the body of work, not one game. As far as your 4A banter, it sounds like to me you're the one looking down on everyone but 4A. I believe the Hatchets would have won it all the last 2 years...no matter what class. Who else that you've mentioned wears 3 championship rings like Zeller? PS-The fact remains Cody Zeller IS Mr. Basketball. There you go fasty maybe you can read it now.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 20, 2011 17:22:34 GMT -5
I guess with you thinking the 2008 team would have won a one class title and hatchet1980 thinks they would have won it all the last couple of years says it all about the ignorance and arrogance of Washington fans.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 20, 2011 17:29:16 GMT -5
Dude, where has anyone said that Washington would have won any class? I can't find it anywhere. Are you just making stuff up for the sake of argument. I'm a Washington fan and I will tell you they would not have one a one class system or the 4A. They were a very good team and they might have done some damage. Now if you want to talk about 2008 that is different. That team would have walked thru any class tournament or the one class system. And what point are you trying to make with the whole we have to share the award of Mr. Bball. Where my numbers not good enough for you to swallow? You get that award every year. And what are you talking about give it to a different area of the state every chance we get? You have got it 10 out of 14 times!!! Geez man cry us all a river. You are the one keeping track of where Mr Bball award is going. The award is suppose to go to the best senior basketball player each year. If the best is from Indy every year then thats who should get it. Just like McRoberts, Hayward, and now Teague have been screwed out of. You are the one crying about the award going to the Indy area too much.
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Post by btownhatchet on Apr 20, 2011 21:12:38 GMT -5
Guess they weren't the best
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Post by wasingtonian on Apr 20, 2011 21:14:59 GMT -5
Here is my opinion on the matter. In 05 james should have won it he has the only gripe there. Tyler on the other hand was hands down, hayward is in the NBA and doing great but his senior year was not as good sorry and tyler was projected in the 1st round if he came out this year so who knows if he wasnt injured for two years. This year i dont know about Teague at all so i cant argue for or against that all i know is that cody did have a great year and have great stats.
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Post by fastysbest on Apr 21, 2011 7:45:25 GMT -5
Let me start by saying that I know as a Washington fan that they would not have one the one class or the 4A tournment any year besides 2008. How where they not the best team in 2008? Two 7 footers, great guard penetration, and even better 3 point shooting. The final ranking by the state voters obviously shows that. I think it is funny that you think Hayward, not now, but his senior year was even in Tyler Zeller's league. Dude scored over 40 points in at least 10 games, and had the highest scoring average. I watched that 4A final that year and neither team could have stood toe to toe with Washington. Sorry I missed the comment from 1 Washington fan saying we would have won it all the last 2 years. Don't judge us all by 1 persons view. I agree that is crazy. Let me clarify, I'm not crying about it going to the Indy players all the time. 90% of the time they deserve it, but there is more to the state than just the I465 donut.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 21, 2011 10:12:06 GMT -5
Brownsburg had two 6' 9" guys that handled the ball like guards in 2008. Who did you guys have that could possibly come close to guarding them. You guys played nobody that year and still lost 2 games. You wouldn't of had to worry about Brownsburg though because New Albany and Bloomington South were both better than Washington that year. Your argument about scoring leader makes no sense. Are you saying the scoring leader should win the award every year?
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Post by fastysbest on Apr 21, 2011 14:18:12 GMT -5
Should the scoring leader win every year. No. But seriously you are High if you think new albany, brownsburg, or bloomington south were better that year. Why are all your arguments one sided? You would roll over in your grave before you would ever agree with anything Washington. Did you watch that 2008 Washington team? Anyway here are some stats between your mancrush Gordon Hayward and Tyler Zeller. Not even in TZ's league.
Tyler Zeller Vs. Gordon Hayward
Points -
TZ - 33.2 (1st in state) GH - 18.0 (64th in state)
Rebounds
TZ - 10.0 (18th) GH - 8.4 (45th)
Free Throw Percentage
TZ - 81% 126-154 GH - 79% 120-151
Blocks
TZ - 1.9 GH - NA
Assists
TZ - NA GH - 3.5
Field Goal %
TZ - 69% (2nd in state) GH - NA - 50% minimum to be listed
Steals
TZ - NA minimum 2.0 GH - 2.8 (17th in state)
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Post by fastysbest on Apr 21, 2011 14:47:41 GMT -5
Once again not even in TZ's League.
2008 State Championship game
Washington Vs. Harding
84-60
Tyler Zeller -43 points, 16 rebounds, 3 assist, 4 blocks
4A - Brownsburg Vs. Marion
40-39 (Brownsburg won on a last second layup from Hayward)
Gordon Hayward - 10 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assist, 0 blocks. Went 5-13 from the floor and 0-5 from the 3 point line.
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Post by fastysbest on Apr 21, 2011 14:48:59 GMT -5
And Hayward deserved the Mr. Basketball? get a clue or go back to school and gain some knowledge. He received offers from Butler, IUPUI, and Purdue. But you go ahead and beat your own drum because you are the only person in the state that thinks Hayward was Mr. Basketball. Tyler had 257 votes and the next person was Randy Davis from Plymouth (another 3A school) with 22 votes.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 21, 2011 15:07:34 GMT -5
Hayward scored 21 in the finals against Marion. You better recheck your stats. Are you really going to compare Harding to Marion? Marion had two major D1 guards and Harding probably didn't have a college player at any level. plus the difference in defenses was laughable. As for the stats that is once again laughable. I wouldn't put any credence in those stats that were most likely kept by one of his buddies. I think you forgot a couple of the most important stats. Brownsburg schedule rated as 5th toughest while Washington's was rated 205th. You also forgot money earned from basketball. Hayward 2.3 million.......Zeller 0 dollars.
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Post by fastysbest on Apr 21, 2011 20:54:10 GMT -5
Once again your ignorance is on display. Go to IHSAA.org, then to archives, then to the 4A box score for the 2008 4A championship game. Read if for me....10 points. 10 points. 10 points. TP means total points. Hey instead of throwing a 205 number out there for strength of schedule why don't you try not to be a complete idiot and give a real stat. Kept by one of his buddies? HAAAAHAAAAAA. That is laughable to hear anyone even say that. And one thing you can bank on is that next year Zeller will be a for sure top 10 pick and then we will let the young men playing the game decide who is better. Back to the Marion team real quick. Major D1 guards score more that 3 points in a championship game. One guard had 13 points and the next one close to that scored 3. I was at this game. Neither team could have played with Washington that year.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 22, 2011 7:02:35 GMT -5
Sorry, he scored 21 in the final game. The IHSAA must have their stats wrong. 205 was a real stat. I can't help it if you guys refuse to play good teams. Brownsburg and Marion both played defense so the game was low scoring. I think you had better check out where Mays and Woods went to college so you will know they had two major D1 guards. Once again its called defense. I know you guys aren't used to seeing it in 3a bball. After all the crying about the HOF its obvious you guys don't know what good defense looks like. As for stopping Zeller, I think both teams had a 5' 9" guy to guard him like Moore did to Cody at the HOF. Now for the biggest joke of all.......a top ten pick. Now thats a good one. Maybe you where really thinking of Teague when you wrote that.
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