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Post by fastysbest on Apr 22, 2011 9:09:28 GMT -5
Wow. You really need to do your homework. He didn't score 21. I have looked at 4 different box scores and none of them say 21. As for strength of schedule that year. Brownsburg was # 3 and Washington was #17. Like I said quite being a complete moron and provide some real stats. As for the top 10 pick for Zeller. I guess all the analyst and writers in this country don't hold a candle to you then because he is already being listed as the 7th or 8th pick next year. He would have been a top 15 this year. Did someone from Washington steal your girlfriend or something? Just trying to figure out how someone from Carmel could have all this built up hatred for a town they have probably never been in. I think this hatred is screwing up your mind because all your post are childish and have no relevance to the thread. I have agreed with you on several things now and not once have you told anyone on here they might be right. That sir, makes you the most juvenile idiotic moron on the board. Your the only one.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 22, 2011 9:11:23 GMT -5
It's a good thing Washington beats all the best 4a teams in the dreams of their fans, because they certainly fail to do it on the court.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 22, 2011 9:22:11 GMT -5
Wow. You really need to do your homework. He didn't score 21. I have looked at 4 different box scores and none of them say 21. As for strength of schedule that year. Brownsburg was # 3 and Washington was #17. Like I said quite being a complete moron and provide some real stats. As for the top 10 pick for Zeller. I guess all the analyst and writers in this country don't hold a candle to you then because he is already being listed as the 7th or 8th pick next year. He would have been a top 15 this year. Did someone from Washington steal your girlfriend or something? Just trying to figure out how someone from Carmel could have all this built up hatred for a town they have probably never been in. I think this hatred is screwing up your mind because all your post are childish and have no relevance to the thread. I have agreed with you on several things now and not once have you told anyone on here they might be right. That sir, makes you the most juvenile idiotic moron on the board. Your the only one. I don't know where you are getting your stats but it must be dreamland. There is no way Washington played the 17th best schedule in 2008. They played one mediocre 4a team and lost to them that year. Are you sure you are looking at the predictions for the NBA draft and not the D-league draft order? Sure you have agreed with me on several things....now if you would just agree with me on the rest you would be right on everything.
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Post by fastysbest on Apr 22, 2011 9:47:09 GMT -5
I don't set the rankings for strength of schedule, I'm just telling you what I see on 3 different big boards. By the way you were slamming Harding as far who they played in 2008. There strength of schedule was much higher than Washington's, they went 22-4, they were tied with Bloomington south with strength of schedule, AND washington blew them out by 24. Dreamland huh, thats funny cause I was thinking you were pulling yours out of the clouds. Are you being for real about Tyler or are you just hating. Serious question.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 22, 2011 10:06:00 GMT -5
Where are you coming up with these strength of schedules? Yes, I'm serious. You seriously don't think Hayward is better than Zeller? By the way, I never slammed Harding for who they played, but wasn't they missing like 3 starters when they played Washington?
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Post by fastysbest on Apr 22, 2011 10:17:11 GMT -5
maxpreps for strength of schedule. John Harrells wont go back that far or I just can't find it. Hardings 3 starters in question were released before the tournament started, so they were able to play. Didn't matter though, they could not stop 2 seven footers. I did not ask you if Hayward is better than Zeller. I asked if you seriously don't think he will be a top 10 or top 15 draft pick. He is going to dominate next year and could move even higher. Is Hayward better than Zeller right now? Yes. Hayward made leaps and bounds of improvement his first 2 years of college from were he was in high school. He had a great system that allowed him to grow. And he had a major growth spurt. Can't rememeber how much he grew but it was something crazy. I want you to know something, I played for Washington (in the dog days of the late 90's), and I support that team, but I am not a die hard fanatic about them like some on this board. I live in Indy and I will not argue about any year of them being the best besides 2008.
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Post by wasingtonian on Apr 22, 2011 10:26:27 GMT -5
pastbb.homestead.com/files/boyschart.htm Here you if you look at this correct it say the leading scorer from Marion had 21 and that Hayward won the mental attitude award it is kinda hard to see put that is what the state of Indiana has in its record books. pastbb.homestead.com/files/2008avg.htm Washingtons defense and offense was ranked in the top 50 in the state. Brownsburg was not in either again from the state of Indiana records. replay.web.archive.org/20080415194750/http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/hsbsend.htmYour right the strength of schedule is 120 for washington and 8 for brownsburg. Washington was 5-1 against the top 25 and brownsburg 6-5. Washington finished number 1 to bad we will never know who would have won a one class system but with all of these stats besides the strength of schedule i would say washington had a pretty good chance. I really like hayward and think he has done more since going to college and is doing good in the NBA. He wasnt as good his senior year as tyler and like i have said before tyler has been injured for basically 2 years. I dont know about the top ten pick but he was projected as a first rounder this year and they say he stock should only improve so im guessing mid first round next year.
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Post by fastysbest on Apr 22, 2011 10:36:19 GMT -5
The IHSAA.org site doesn't have anyone scoring over 17 in that game. Can't get the strength of schedule site to load, but if you look at John Harrell's sagarin ratings for this year and compare it to Maxpreps they are really close. So i am not putting much stock in the whole 120 thing. So if Maxpreps has the 2008 hatchets at #17 on strength I would guess Harrell's site had them around #25.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Apr 22, 2011 13:10:54 GMT -5
Harrell's site has Washington's strength of schedule this year at 106 and that includes the Hof which they never played in for 2008. So their strength of schedule that year had to be substantially worse than 106 that year. Harding was definitely without starters for the Washington game and had already been beat by nearly 30 a couple times by Indy schools that year with everyone playing. Brownsburg had some injuries early in the year that cost them some games in 2008, so I wouldn't put much stock in any ratings. New Albany was probably the best team in the state that year and only lost once, and that was on an extremely off night to Brownsburg in semi-state. As for Zeller, I wouldn't take him in the first round and will be suprised if he goes in the first round. He just doesn't look strong enough for a center and isn't quick enough for a power foward in the NBA. I'm not saying there is no way he won't go in the first round but usually the longer NBA teams have to look at big guys the more their stock drops.
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Post by btownhatchet on Apr 22, 2011 20:09:33 GMT -5
Nice job refuting miyagi, the great story teller. I'll give in to 0-4 in two trips to HofF because it's true. It's also true that Washington was 2-0 in State Championship games those two years. Chop'em down! 7 time state champs!!!
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Post by wasingtonian on Apr 24, 2011 20:40:02 GMT -5
I agree that is his down side is his strength. From what i have read they think that he can score decently if he adds more strength and they love that he is fast and is a legit 7 footer. If he can get even stronger and put on more weight it would defiantly help his stock. I dont think they are looking for him to play a lot of defense in the NBA but i think as long as he improves he has proven he can score and somebody will probably take a chance late to mid first round next year but who knows what he will be projected as next year.
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Post by zjs1997 on Apr 25, 2011 7:40:41 GMT -5
Why do you guys keep feeding the beast? Its baseball season!!! Well kinda 7 games into the schedule 3 played. Enough rain!! I think miyaki is making it rain
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Post by killiob on Jun 13, 2011 17:23:44 GMT -5
So I think Cody Zeller's performance speaks enough in the all star game!! Definitely showed that he was worthly of Mr. Basketball. Even their coach said that he was an unbelieveable talent and didn't realize how good he was until he saw him in person. Hands down the best talent in Indiana this year. Dawson looked good, Teague did alright, and Nic Moore had one good game followed by some decent games.
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Post by mrmiyagi on Jun 14, 2011 7:47:46 GMT -5
The only game I saw was the one in Indy. I was really impressed with the way Zeller kept cutting off dribble penetration by the guards. unfotunately, he only managed to cut it off on the offensive end. It almost looked like it was by design trying to make the guards give the ball up so he could get those wide open layups. Teague was by far the best talent on the floor and will explode at Kentucky, where the bigs will clear the lane on his drives.
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Post by louk703 on Jun 14, 2011 19:57:06 GMT -5
myself i thought that the carmel players really looked good!!! my bad, they didnt have anyone on the team!!! SORRY ABOUT THAT!!! LOL!!!
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